Off Topic Mental Health Discussion Thread

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  1. Quill

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    Exactly.

    Maybe acupuncture is great for some people. Same goes for hypnotherapy. That's fantastic, anything that helps people get better is brilliant. But just because it's great for some, doesn't make it great for all. Neither would work for me, I know that.

    Pills could be complete bullshit for all I know, you could show me document after document proving how bad they are, but I don't care - because they work for me. Counselling, meditation and pills keep me alive (albeit just), pure and simple.
     
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  2. Minxy

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    Keep going sweetheart & hopefully eventually you will find a light at the end of the tunnel.
    It took me a long time but I'm there now & it has been worth it.
     
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  3. Sir Steve Bray

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    Oh dear, round 2 tonight on AC 360 - Williamson is even against vaccines, it appears. I'm sorry for the bum steer. :emoticon-0114-dull:

    Nevertheless, there does still have to be a conversation about over-prescribing/addiction by Big Pharma. Got nothing to do with money,nothing to do with power. just simply that people should look forward to a time off meds. then again, I developed DVT last year, and I've had atrial fibrillation since a youth spent doing middle/long distance running. Looks like I'lll be on Rivoraxofram (sp) for the rest of my life. But that's the heart, not the brain, and nobody questions for one moment that is a medication that should be opposed.

    Hmm, complicated? :emoticon-0108-speec
     
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  4. Jim Campbell

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    Hi Quill, you state that neither Acupuncture and/or Hypnotherapy would work for you but you don't appear to have tried it. I have recommended this treatment to half a dozen or more who HAVE tried it and found relief. Others have decided that it is not for them and prefer to stay on pills. Each to their own. My personal experience was that pills just subdued the problem and I was not enjoying life at all. I found relief in alternative medicine. In the USA they have pills that act immediately on the problem and are NOT addictive either but how long before they are available in the UK? Good luck to you.
     
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  5. DMD

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    I think what the thread shows is that different things work for different people so it's not 'either or' as far as getting some respite is concerned.

    One thing that does seem to help is sharing experiences and offering and receiving support and understanding.

    I admire those that have taken the time to open up on this thread, and it's great that the replies have been understanding and constructive.

    Keep sharing, you don't have to suffer alone, and sometimes expressing your feelings is better than the thoughts going around and around in your mind.
     
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  6. Jim Campbell

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    I do hope the fact that nobody has made a comment for over a week that they have tried Acupuncture and/or Hypnotherapy and it has been successful and they are just waiting to see what happens.
     
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  7. Pauly Paul

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    There is increasing anecdotal evidence of carnivorism helping people out of depression and anxiety. The science is that changing the brain's fuel from ingested glucose to artificial, liver generated, glucose substitute (ketones) delivers an increasing sense of wellbeing.

    This change isn't to be feared and is a natural evolutionary state of being that we relied on for hundreds of thousands of years as hunter gatherers and before we invented agriculture.
     
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  8. Ron Burguvdy

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    Do you have a source to above?
     
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  9. Chazz Rheinhold

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    Sounds like ****e to me
     
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  10. Ron Burguvdy

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    As surprising and powerful as these stories are, they are just anecdotes…they do not constitute formal scientific evidence. Perhaps all of these alleged improvements could be chalked up to exaggeration, wishful thinking, or coincidence. It is up to you whether you choose to dismiss them, become genuinely curious about them, or feel inspired by them. I lay out the scientific arguments supporting this way of eating in my video but clinical trials do not yet exist.
     
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  12. Ron Burguvdy

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    More balanced if. you read to the bottom (little mention of omnivore diet)

    https://www-psychologytoday-com.cdn...-diet/201904/the-carnivore-diet-mental-health
     
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  13. Pauly Paul

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    Try it. You might like it.
     
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  14. Kempton

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    The very thought of only eating meat, is making me consider turning vegan.
     
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  15. Cortez91

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    I genuinely read carnivorism as cannibalism at first. I need to go have a snooze I think. :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  16. Jim Campbell

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    I just try to help people who are suffering from depression/anxiety/panic as I've been there and pills just blanket the symptoms and do not cure it. Many have found however that they can live with that and that is fine but in many cases acupuncture and hypnotherapy can do more. People who ridicule those suffering should be ashamed of themselves. There are thousands all over the world suffering these terrible mental conditions and who succumb to the pressures and take their own lives. Those who I have recommended to try alternative methods have all found relief which is most comforting.
     
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  17. Pauly Paul

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    It's quite liberating actually.
     
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  18. Ron Burguvdy

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    Deaths by suicide and drugs highest among Generation X
    People born in the 1960s and 70s stand out as the generation most likely to die by suicide or drug poisoning, data for England and Wales shows.

    The higher rate of fatalities began in the 1980s and 90s when people belonging to Generation X were in their 20s, and is still occurring in the now middle-aged cohort, says the Office for National Statistics.

    Public Health England says the trend overlaps with patterns of heroin use.

    But other factors will also contribute.

    Opioids
    Heroin use increased markedly through the 1980s and early 90s, which is when the rise in drug-related and suicide deaths among Generation X began.

    Fast-forward to 2017 and opioid drugs, which include heroin, contributed to around half of drug poisoning deaths - 1,985 of 3,756 - in England and Wales.

    Again, 40 to 49-year-olds from Generation X had the highest rate of drug misuse deaths.

    A similar age pattern is seen for deaths caused by suicide. In 2017, 49 was the age at which most people died by suicide, whereas in 1993 it was 22.

    Deprivation
    Changes in male suicide rates (which make up the bulk of suicide statistics) in Europe from the early 80s to 2011 show a link to unemployment and financial instability or poverty.

    Deprivation has also been linked to drug poisoning deaths.

    In 2017 - the latest figures available for England and Wales - there were more suicides among the most deprived communities across most age groups, but rates were highest among middle-aged people.

    Ben Humberstone from the ONS said: "The reasons behind these deaths are complex, but our most recent data suggests that those currently living in the most deprived communities are at the highest risk."

    The next set of statistics on drug poisoning deaths in England and Wales in 2018 are due to be published on Thursday, with data on suicides out next month.

    Prevention
    The Samaritans charity says the findings should help inform policy into suicide prevention.

    Samaritans spokeswoman Charlotte Simms said: "We know that suicide rates are currently higher among people in their 40s and 50s and particularly among men.

    "But this data from the ONS suggests it isn't just related to age but is a risk that has been carried by a generation of people and there are lessons to learn from that."

    She said the Samaritans' own research suggests relationship breakdown and job instability are important risk factors for this higher risk group.

    "This is a generation - a buffer generation - caught between an older one and a more progressive younger one. Their father may have had a job for life, yet they may not."

    She said while the overall male rate of suicide has been falling in recent years, there has been an increase in suicide rates among younger people, which is also concerning.

    "We need to reach people before they get to crisis point. It's about embedding suicide prevention in all areas of policy - housing and welfare, for example - to tackle inequalities."

    Stephen Buckley, from the mental health charity Mind, said it was possible that people born in the 1960s and 70s feel a greater sense of stigma in talking about mental health problems and seeking help than those born since then.

    "It's important that anyone who needs support for their mental health is able to access it. Every suicide is a tragedy and most are preventable which is why we need to see meaningful change for people trying to access support now."

    If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans free on 116 123 (UK and Ireland) or visit the Samaritans website to find details of the nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every day of the year.
    Mind has a confidential telephone helpline- 0300 123 339 (Monday-Friday, 9am-6pm).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49329595
     
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  19. Jim Campbell

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    If I can just add that old adage "Suicide is a PERMANENT solution to a TEMPORARY problem" - this kept me going during my bad times as I KNEW it was temporary because it disappeared for short periods so I knew that there WAS a solution - the problem was finding that solution and I DID find it in Acupuncture followed by Hypnotherapy.
     
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  20. Kempton

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    Have you had hypnotherapy or acupuncture by any chance?
     
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