What's troubling Poch?

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  1. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  2. Spurlock

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    I do get it

    Then we need to be serious about having a team to seriously challenge for the 2 remaining trophies

    We seem to think we are too good for the 2 domestic cups yet not serious enough about the other 2.

    No man's land/wool over our eyes
     
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  3. vimhawk

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    Not sure about that. Isn't it just as likely that Poch realises we're not good enough to challenge on all fronts. After all Citeh's B team is nearly as good as any first XI in the PL, so it's no problem for them to field a team full of excellent players for these competitions. We (and just about any other team) don't have that luxury). Plus of course Citeh don't usually get drawn against PL teams (see Carabao Cup last season) and when they need "assistance" against Swansea they had plenty from the 12th man.
     
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  4. Diego

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    28 years since you were last in the FA Cup final, are you telling me you have been so far behind all these other teams for so long?

    1990–91 Tottenham Hotspur * 2–1 * Nottingham Forest Wembley Stadium (original) 80,000
    1991–92 Liverpool 2–0 Sunderland Wembley Stadium (original) 80,000
    1992–93 Arsenal * 1–1 * Sheffield Wednesday Wembley Stadium (original) 79,347
    1992–93 (R) Arsenal * 2–1 * Sheffield Wednesday Wembley Stadium (original) 62,267
    1993–94 Manchester United
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    4–0 Chelsea Wembley Stadium (original) 79,634
    1994–95 Everton 1–0 Manchester United Wembley Stadium (original) 79,592
    1995–96 Manchester United
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    1–0 Liverpool Wembley Stadium (original) 79,007
    1996–97 Chelsea 2–0 Middlesbrough Wembley Stadium (original) 79,160
    1997–98 Arsenal
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    2–0 Newcastle United Wembley Stadium (original) 79,183
    1998–99 Manchester United
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    2–0 Newcastle United Wembley Stadium (original) 79,101
    1999–2000 Chelsea 1–0 Aston Villa Wembley Stadium (original) 78,217
    2000–01 Liverpool 2–1 Arsenal Millennium Stadium 72,500
    2001–02 Arsenal
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    2002–03 Arsenal 1–0 Southampton Millennium Stadium 73,726
    2003–04 Manchester United 3–0 Millwall Millennium Stadium 71,350
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    Manchester United Millennium Stadium 71,876
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    West Ham United Millennium Stadium 71,140
    2006–07 Chelsea * 1–0 * Manchester United Wembley Stadium (new) 89,826
    2007–08 Portsmouth 1–0
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    2010–11 Manchester City 1–0 Stoke City Wembley Stadium (new) 88,643
    2011–12 Chelsea 2–1 Liverpool Wembley Stadium (new) 89,041
    2012–13 Wigan Athletic 1–0 Manchester City Wembley Stadium (new) 86,254
    2013–14 Arsenal * 3–2 * Hull City Wembley Stadium (new) 89,345
    2014–15 Arsenal 4–0 Aston Villa Wembley Stadium (new) 89,283
    2015–16 Manchester United * 2–1 * Crystal Palace Wembley Stadium (new) 88,619
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    2017–18 Chelsea 1–0 Manchester United Wembley Stadium (new) 87,647
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Good luck trying to convince any of us that our first team for most of the 90s was on a level with any of those teams you just listed...
     
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  6. Spurlock

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    Exactly

    As much as I want us winning things

    It’s not because I think we are entitled but because I believe this is our best moment considering our squad and manager. I believe we are on a ‘decline’ in overall squad quality which for me was peaking 2 seasons ago. We didn’t quite build as we should if we were focused on creating a quality squad. However this situation can be rescued very well if we can get through this little internal storm at our club.

    People wanting to leave, rumours of personal stuff...all off field drama affecting on field. If the powers that be want us right up there again, they can if their focus aligns with Poch.
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

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    That 2007/08 Cup Final had the most bizarrely easy routes for the two teams that it barely sounds possible.
    Cardiff played Chasetown(?), Hereford, Wolves, Boro and Barnsley.
    Portsmouth played Ipswich, Plymouth, Preston, Man Utd (the exception) and West Brom.
    The only difficult game there on paper was at Old Trafford, but they played their reserves and the keeper got sent off and gave away a penalty.
     
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  8. KingHotspur

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    Looking like a major rebuild is needed next summer, a whole new defence is needed and a replacement for Eriksen (not convinced that Lo Celso is the answer)

    That requires huge money and I just can’t see it happening. Especially if the club doesn’t finish top 4
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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    Them barren windows have stunted our progress
     
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  11. KingHotspur

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    Big time. Instead of 1-2 leaving and 1-2 being signed every window, next summer 5-6 will be needed or else the club will be relying on youngsters week in, week out.
     
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  12. The Changing Man

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    Define behind - looking at that list of winners only Portsmouth and Wigan would have had a smaller income, budget, net spend and wage bill than us, so yes from a purely financial standpoint the answer is in the main yes.

    If you would rather base it on league position then the winners of the cup also finished higher than us in the league 25 times so yes we were frequently behind on that score too

    so your point was?
     
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  13. Diego

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    I wasn't pointing out winners, just finalists in general <ok>
     
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  14. remembercolinlee

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    To anyone about to read this...sorry about the length but it is worth looking at the end result of clubs that have over spent in the hope of getting to and winning a final.

    Thats 28 finals since we won in 1991.

    Winners

    Arsenal x 8
    Liverpool x 3
    United x 5
    City x 2
    Chelsea x7

    Everton ... 1 top 4 finish and 3 or 4 top 6 finishes

    Portsmouth...went bust and into freefall and have not recovered

    Wigan...went bust and into freefall and have not recovered

    Runners Up

    1992 Sunderland remained inthe old 2nd division for 4 further years and have been relegated 5 times since. Have spent 12 years out of the premier league including the last 2 years in league 2.

    1993 Sheffield Wednesday...have been a basket case of a club for 20 years. Have spent 18 years out of the premier league including spells in league 1.

    1994...chelsea
    1995...United
    1996...Liverpool

    1997...Middlesborough ... relegated that season. Have been relegated a further 2 times since. Have spent 11 seasons out of the Premier league.

    1998 and 1999... Newcastle... 2 relegations since and at least 5 or 6 other relegation battles

    2000 ... Villa...Relegated, 3 other relegation battles...nearly gone into receivership twice... 2 years out of premier league

    2001 ...Arsenal
    2002 ...Chelsea

    2003...Southampton relegated 2 years later...8 seasons out of the premier league including 2 seasons in league 1. Club slso entered administration.

    2004 Millwall...3 relegations, various financial difficulties snd zero seasons in premier league.

    2005 man utd
    2006 West Ham...nearly relegated tge following season , then relegated the next. Relegated twice in total.

    2007 Man Utd

    2008 Cardiff...relegated twice, only 2 seasons in premier league.

    2009...Everton (see 1996)

    2010...portsmouth...relegated that season. Went into administration. 9 seasons out of premier league including seasons in league one.

    2011 Stoke...relegated and struggling in Championship

    2012 Liverpool
    2013 Man City

    2014 Villa (see 2000)

    2015 Hull...relegated that season...struggling in championship.

    2016 Palace ... relegation battles ever since.
    2017 Chelsea
    2018 Man Utd

    2019 Watford...a basket case this season
     
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    Not including Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Chelsea or City only 2 out 13 clubs who reached the final and lost in those 28 finals have not been relegated...Palace (who have had 2 relegation threatened seasons since their final) and Watford who are have s nightmare this season.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Non-existent, as per usual with their pointless waffle
     
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  17. Diego

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    Ahh right, so you fear being relegated if you try in the cups. Got it <ok>
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    The last two times we won the Season Killer Cup, our form went off a cliff - and in the case of 2008, that form continued into the next season

    It's hardly the only case of this happening, either, as Liverpool, Swansea, Middlesbrough and Birmingham will all attest
     
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  19. Diego

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    I thought the season killer cup was the league cup, is it both now?
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    You thought? Well there's a first...
     
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